"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
03/06/2018 at 08:42 • Filed to: crossovers, hatchback, lexus, I like the part with the Lexus hatchbacks., toyota, shitpost
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"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
03/06/2018 at 08:42 • Filed to: crossovers, hatchback, lexus, I like the part with the Lexus hatchbacks., toyota, shitpost | 0
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Kristen Lee already !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , but I felt like commenting on it myself.
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Specifically, part of one sentence, from !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , my emphasis:
The UX measures 4,495mm long, 1,520mm high and 1,840mm wide and has a 2,640mm wheelbase.
1520 mm is 59.8 inches.
That’s... not a crossover.
I don’t care if it has a high beltline, black cladding, and chunky styling meant to evoke “toughness”, it’s under 60" tall. That’s a compact hatchback, not a crossover.
Edit: Hahahaha, this line.
For the driver, a reduced distance between the hip and heel points gives the feel of driving a hatchback rather than an SUV-type vehicle.
THAT’S BECAUSE IT IS A HATCHBACK RATHER THAN AN SUV-TYPE VEHICLE YOU FUCKS
Spanfeller is a twat
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 08:57 |
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The more acronyms something has, the more “average consumers” it attracts
Think about it
SUV sounds cooler than hatch
Imagine, if it’s an SUV with a PHEV drivetrain, people will swim over to those!
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 09:00 |
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All I can think of with that name is this:
What a stupid name, even as two-letter alphanumeric names go.
Ash78, voting early and often
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 09:12 |
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Agreed
https://oppositelock.kinja.com/hot-take-cars-have-reached-peak-stupid-in-2018-1822122132
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bhtooefr
> Ash78, voting early and often
03/06/2018 at 09:15 |
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Congratulations, you made me go looking for a third story to stick in a recommended stories module.
KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 09:22 |
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Will the F-Sport package version of this be named the F-UX?
fintail
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 09:24 |
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All I see is this:
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> fintail
03/06/2018 at 09:26 |
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That is a “Design study” This is the production version:
Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 09:26 |
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This is the Lexus answer to the GLA.
The carmakers will keep scope creeping until every car is a crossover so they can get that sweet SUV price bump they want out of a basic (slow!) hatchback just because they uglied it up a bit and called it something other than a “car”.
People are stupid.
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bhtooefr
> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
03/06/2018 at 09:28 |
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The other thing I wonder is whether this actually meets the EPA standards for Small Sport Utility Vehicle. The GLA250 does, but the GLA45 AMG does not.
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fintail
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
03/06/2018 at 09:29 |
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Given the target demographic in my area, that looks accurate.
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Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 09:31 |
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I didn’t realize the AMG variant falls outside the limits.
I’m sure they are making sure they meet requirements.
Then again, marketing and EPA rules are not the same. Aggressive hatchback isn’t going to sell, but aggressive small SUV will make bank even if it’s really slow.
DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish!
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 10:44 |
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I like it.
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bhtooefr
> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
03/06/2018 at 10:51 |
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Looks like the applicable standards are the following:
Must have 4WD available
Must have at least four of the following characteristics:
* At least 28 degree approach angle
* At least 14 degree breakover angle
* At least 20 degree departure angle
* At least 20 cm (7.9") ground clearance
* At least 18 cm (7.1") axle clearance
Looking at it, I wonder if it actually has the clearances or the angles needed...
Michael Woyahn
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 11:38 |
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I’m honestly disappointed with the UX, and this is coming from someone who currently drives an RX and is quite the Toyota/Lexus fanboy. I was really hoping they’d put the 2.0 turbo in it from the NX and make it a hot hatchback.
But instead they put in the 2.0 with the CVT. I expected the hybrid to use a CVT since it’s an integral part of how it works and it has the extra boost from the electric motors, but I just don’t think a CVT and a motor with 168 hp belongs in a “luxury” car. Hell, the C-HR uses a 2.0 engine that I’m assuming is related and takes 11 seconds to get to 60. Yes, it has 20ish less hp, but I’m sure the UX is heavier. Fingers crossed the UX gets to 60 in under 9 seconds because more than that is inexcusable for a luxury car, in my mind. And from what I can tell, you can only get AWD in the form of the hybrid, just like the C-HR.
Oh boy, this turned into quite a rant. I just think that this car looks fantastic inside and out, but it just seems like the powertrain lets it down. Of course this doesn’t matter to the people buying it, but I sure hope Toyota proves me wrong.
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bhtooefr
> Michael Woyahn
03/06/2018 at 11:46 |
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The engines actually aren’t related - the C-HR is running a decade-old engine, and a nearly 20 year old transmission family, whereas the UX is running a new engine (a scaled down version of the new Camry’s engine, actually) and new transmission.
Also, the only way to get AWD on the C-HR is the 1.2T, which the US doesn’t get. Nor does it get the hybrid.
My guess is that some of what’s going on here is... the US demands a lot more performance out of a compact premium hatchback (it’s not a crossover) than any other market, so they optimized it for every market that isn’t the US. I’d also guess that if it really became an issue, they could drop the 2.5 liter and 8-speed auto from the Camry in.
Consider its competition - the GLA-Class can be had with as little as 108 hp in Europe, and the new A-Class can be had with 116 hp. The Audi Q3 can be had with as little as 118 hp, and the A3 can be had with 104 hp. The BMW X1 can be had with as little as 114 hp, and the 1-Series can be had with 107 hp.
And, as far as using a CVT... smoothness can be part of luxury, after all.
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Michael Woyahn
> bhtooefr
03/06/2018 at 12:06 |
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Ah okay, that explains why they said it has 40% thermal efficiency. Somehow I missed the words “all new” in the press release haha. I did see that they said the transmission has an additional gearset for lower speeds too, which I’m sure helps its cause.
Interesting they don’t offer AWD with the hybrid in the CH-R. I figured they’d do that over the conventional gas engines since they wouldn’t have to run a driveshaft to the back, but I’m sure there’s a reason for only offering it on the 1.2T. I still think Toyota’s missing a big market by not offering the C-HR without AWD in the US, but that’s a rant for a different day.
That’d make a lot of sense. It’s probably similar to the CT and how it was developed with the other markets in mind. True, and I’d bet the 2.5 and 8 speed would be plenty for it, too.